It is way too long, and was built upon a post that is riddled with misinformation, so it requires far more fact checking then I have time for right now. Nature has a non-aligned editorial board and attempts to be on the cutting edge of gold-standard research in the public's interest. Ferry-Morse. Anyone have any information about that? Thats a pretty negative view of people who you dont agree with. I'm going through them all :-). Gardner & Company[2] (also known as Gardner, Ferry, and Church) in Detroit, Michigan. And you thought these suggestions would make me happy? 0000536287 00000 n Yet at the same time, you suggest ways of affecting their bottom line, which would indicate you are against them to some degree. The observation that you think I was referring to you or labeling you, is incorrect, and I would counter that you clearly are labeling yourself. I have to stop here, I havent even been able to read the comments made after Pupillas. [5] Morse built the company up, and in 1884 bought out Kellogg and incorporated as C.C. And complete information doesn't exist, there is always some amount of information that is unavailable to us. I have to agree with PC's comment from May 10th which says: "I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleadinginformation with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering.". What about the risks of GMO seeds and plants? Ferry-Morse. More selfish motives that ignore what is good for mankind or the natural world, in general. And as I already said, I already do avoid the products you mention. I read the Wiki synopsis of the film and it reports that Indias farmers dispute claims that Monsantos crops require less pesticide or produce higher yields. It's rhetorical. If they discontinue their variety they know me and thousands of others will kick their butt. 0000489481 00000 n I expect the same good faith from you.. As should every living person on the earth. They could care less about it. They bought the seed company Seminis in 2005, as well as several smaller companies. In 1921, they bought the commission packet business from Morse. If I were trying to vote with my dollars, I would direct my attention to commercial products such as Roundup and Miracle Gro, or more directly, the Zima grape tomatoes in the supermarket (link), a Monsanto conventional product not available to home gardeners. What we . It is a free country and they can do that. 0000015871 00000 n But please own your words, since those original words I found objectional, and I respect you for what you say, and would feel foolish to participate in a conversation where at the end I am told I misquoted someone when I did not and would not, and if it happened by accident I would instantly correct and apologize, because I will own my mistake. And against it being sold to home gardeners or to commercial farmers. Not because of any dislike for you, but for what I would consider obvious reasons, that the discussion was not constructive, which I said. Since I just listed the reasons why I wanted to end the conversation, the question does not need to be answered by you. I dont even have the time to read the above entire article on Monsanto, but a quick scan of the section on Controversies, shows that all over the world, people are fighting against Monsanto because of the ill effect that their association with the company has had. It's a conspiracy theory website and anyone can post articles there. I am not an evangelist, simply a critical thinker who keeps their faith to themselves and encourages others to respect the belief of all just not to manipulate others with the sort of false, misleading & manipulative, and incomplete information which activists on both artificially created poles routinely are doing. I havent got the time to do an expose on Monsanto. I bought them last year and it was so convenient not to have to search all over the place for some of the items. 0000011681 00000 n In 1856, Milo T. Gardner, Dexter M. Ferry, and Eber F. Church[1] organized a small seed-growing company, M.T. There have been remarkable and beneficial gains made through their scientific research. I'm sure I have done my share of that, too. [7], Meanwhile, in 1874, R. W. Wilson began a seed-producing company based in Santa Clara, California. Zinnia Thumbelina Seed. However there is one point I can beef up. Our History. [11], In 2005, Groupe Limagrain sold Ferry-Morse to Jiffy International. But Monsanto and Bayer had a history back to the 1950s, in a joint venture called Mobay . As for the people who rely on the government and regulatory agencies to protect them, I'd say that putting all your faith in the government for ANYTHING is living in a fools paradise. I'm trying to avoid their products too. HWnW^aw0Dc`ECS>,Q9U3CJ yTw-yW^~vw_[)sX7yX&^\}-]N {yZ*~>|\f&G[C$zr=^^~g/V_o{q{u@0/3~+!g/q}}yy}u}wW1tPZ:1xHx'5D2C(qq|?D__BO=__{s2HH^CBm+~j-gaoKs'Y(Oq 1DV&9l"&NMetY&U jHek9~)o,*SDHecls|Vb d{9|E K+ H?WZbAP r ^`ry\m8evl&>g'QE9=0xTYJ!jp# I've shared my views on the subject and what I have done as a result of that and the names of seed companies that I use that make me feel I am living up to my own convictions. Well wishes to you too. There are smaller seed companies out there trying to get established just as the seed industry is consolidating. It is from the Jan 2015 issue and talks about sourcing high quality seeds. If you repeat the same flaws, I will respond by repeating myself, too. To learn from a debate my partner needs to provide quality information. I spent over 2 hours composing a post this morning, which amounted to defending what I meant by what I said and after two hours of that, had no time left to actually discuss GMOs. And you are complaining that I am disrespectful? Model# 9507. However, flooding in rice growing regions has caused some major problems for rice growers, and those who rely on it as a food source. Not all information regarding Monsanto and GMO's is good or even close to good. I would have liked to have had a friendly, collaborative discussion, but unfortunately, that is not how this conversation has evolved. There are so many, many tomato seeds in the world there has to be enough for everyone, that we can do without a couple, if it means gaining something more valuable. Soon many more garden seed companies bought from not only Burpee but also from Petoseed, companies as diverse as Ferry-Morse, Park's, Gurney's, Johnny's, Northrup King and Comstock-Ferre. Who is considering that? I respect everyone's beliefs which include not giving them false and misleading info because it is morally my belief. If you wanted to discuss this topic, based on debate rules and theories, you should have mentioned that in the beginning and sought my agreement to discuss accordingly. The length of this thread has now become ridiculous. No more Miracle Grow for anyone then, not even sneaking a quick shot of it! [g] With all the healthy social skills you can muster. Perhaps even more impressive is the companys history of innovation. No you dont see Monsanto rescuing us but yet, you are hoping that the GMO potential solution will. I will try to get back here and finish reading everyones later. You dont even know the reason why Monsanto is buying so many seed companies. You seem to be trying to straddle both sides and see yourself above everyone else. Ive made a few points that represent my own point of view and you skip right over them in favor of suffocating the conversation with more of your own opinions and explanations and analysis. Burpee gets $0.10 of it, marginalized Asian Indian farmers producing it get $0.05 of it (I'd rather buy US seed, but cheap hybrid seed is usually produced there which at least helps very needy and hardworking people), Florida gets $0.03 if I paid sales tax on retail seeds (can't remember) UPS gets $0.01 of it. That was not the complete information I was looking for. McKenzie continues to set industry standards while being conscious and responsive to the growing concerns involved with food: cost, quality and safety. 2. Sorry. All Seeds of Change seeds are 100% Organic and 100% Non-GMO. Not relevant enough. Read this National Geographic Article on GMOs and Florida Orange Juice if you have a moment and you can see some of the difficult issues that consumers may vote soon on with their dollars. Atlee Burpee & Co. Burpee is NOT owned by Monsanto. I wasn't so much saying you were scare mongering as the article. 0000510000 00000 n It goes against my core beliefs. NotMonsanto. The Seed Savers Exchange (SSE) is a non-profit organization working to save heirloom garden seeds from extinction. [12], In 2012, Seed Holdings acquired Ferry-Morse from Jiffy. At this point in time, I do not have the time and did so reluctantly because I felt obligated to respond to your 2015 post addressed directly to me. Yet you dont consider this statement a label? The 'foodandwaterwatch' link doesn't work, but it is two years old. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust of home gardeners across the country. I remember in a Facebook gardening group about a year, maybe a year and a half ago, a conversation came up about GMO's, Monsanto, and Scotts/Miracle-Gro. I dont think Monsanto will own these forever - You have no way of knowing what Monsanto will do. It is a disease where I will be forced to make a decision if the GM technology is the solution that will save the $10 billion Florida Citrus industry. In India, it goes on to say, there is now a biotech seed monopoly and Bt cotton seed has become the standard and organic seed has become unobtainable. Can't beat that. Is Garden of Life owned by Monsanto? And if it is a fact, that due to the way in which Monsanto was allowed to introduce GMO cotton seed in India, that there is now no non GMO seed available there, then how do we unring that bell? You want to make your own decision, I haven't reread the entire thread again, but I certainly have said nothing to attempt to take that choice away from you. The Citrus Browning is global, so if GMO is the only workable solution, not adopting it in Florida (after our Citrus growers sponsor it) will just mean other growing areas will pick up the slack, probably Brasil, and they likely will need to implement the GMO citrus and just take out produce just as Mexico did with strawberries and tomatoes already. Ill be back to respond to it when I can. And with their history of trying to influence legislation, at some point, once they have a monopoly of owning seed companies, then what? I quote your response to them: "Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. Disclaimer: I worked for a seed company that was being purchased by Monsanto, in a GMO-free operation. No. Have you read the FEDCO companys catalog? OK, I don't know what to think about this comment other than feeling you are a bully because you say I don't listen to you but you want to force a dichotomy on me again, either answer how you want or you are not interested. And what does my belief that GMOs are 1000% wrong, or any reason why I believe that, have anything at all to do with the sentence you are responding to? Oh, for the record, The New York Times, Science, Nature, and NPR are reputable sources, someone was asking what was considered a reputable source. You call me out? All the people working tirelessly to be stewards of seeds and to create varieties of seed for home gardeners that are what we all want. Maryann, you mean the 'How to Source Truly High Quality Seeds' ? To choose to evaluate each product on a case by case basis -- If I understand you to mean that if a product is GMO based, you will evaluate it at that point? Do you think the "Natural" or "Original" Species of plants ( and maybe other organisms too ) will go extinct because of the GMOs overpopulating the Whole World? Your one-stop source for non-GMO seeds. [4], By the early 1900s, the company was doing over $2,000,000 per year in business, and supplying seeds to 160,000 retail outlets. Pupilla - From my point of view, in any conversation with another person, you have to win their favor enough to interest them in continuing a conversation with you. 0000010754 00000 n Ferry seed catalogs, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ferry-Morse_Seed_Company&oldid=1144036611, Companies based in Santa Clara, California, Agriculture companies of the United States, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 11 March 2023, at 12:52. I don't consider myself "torn" as you've interpreted from my writing. In hindsight, I should not have taken the time to do so, I was rushing. Sunflower Fun Sunny Hybrid Mix Seed. When you infer (incorrectly) I could be labeling you, you miss the foundation of my point, which is that anti-Monsanto preachers and Monsanto marketers are a false dichotomy (a.k.a., an exclusion of the middle) and my context is that I will not succumb to either rhetorical extreme (faith-based or money-based). I think they would like to have nothing but GMO seeds available to buy to everyone, including home gardeners. In the 1950s a resourceful gardener from Norway invented the Jiffypot, a biodegradable planting pot made from compressed peat that can be transplanted with the plant. Ferry-Morse. If either of us does not grasp it, I think the person who is willing for GMO technology to tamper with our food supply is the more likely person to not grasp the gravity of the situation. A movie (or someone else) comes up with some terrible conspiracy theory sort of plot. and aside from seeds, I don't use the kind of products they make any way. I've made an attempt to at least present some links to what should be reliable sources of information. It is like watching supermarkets (Big Ag) swallow up the local produce markets (Kramer's Corner Peach Shop), and then either take control over and frequently discontinue products I like. If you want to find out who owns a company, go to the website of the attorney general of the state where the company is located. or proves one is wrong? And, just for the sake of argument, why would Monsanto own so many seed companies, what's their reason for buying them all? Compare $ 1 98. Now I doubt their whole list. Invented in 1939, SUPERthrive has had a fabulous journey that few products can match all thanks to the creativity and passion of its founder, Dr. John Thomson. Continually defending and explaining myself. You surmise that. In 1999, a group of seed catalog companies, led by High Mowing Organic Seeds, teamed up to create the Safe Seed Pledge. I guess, the long past resolved discussion of the inaccuracy of the original link was relevant. Also, this isn't meant as an attack on anyone here or their opinions. If you have some opinion on GMO seeds, on Monsanto, or other companies producing GMO seeds, or the preservation of non GMO seeds, which are the topic of this thread, then perhaps you might share that in concise and direct language and leave out the rest. Ferry Seed Company merged with the California based seed company C. C. Morse Company in 1930 to become the Ferry-Morse Seed Company. They covered the seed company acquisitions briefly and had a graphic with the citation leading back to this person's research. And what did you mean by 'carefully'? Thanks for bringing them to my attention. But it would seem to me that, while the conclusions about what happened in India may have been controversial, something definitely negative happened in India as a result of Monsanto introducing GMO seed. McKenzie Seeds is a seed packaging company founded in Brandon, Manitoba in 1896. Its not easy to explain it completely, but Ill give it a try. You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. It is your right to have that belief, whether religiously-based, socially-based, scientifically-based, statistically-based, etc. And since I am anti-Monsanto I see no other way to interpret that, except that you consider me and anyone against what Monsanto does to be an anti-Monsanto preacher. Thanks for the reply and summarizing your GMO fears and beliefs, and how that contributes to your actions. The first year the company did $6,000 in business. Monsanto does not offer genetically modified vegetable seeds for the home garden market. But you claim that you do. Burpee was never owned by Monsanto, but sold its west coast operations which changed hands and were eventually bought by Monsanto. Please explain, what it is about a desire not to see genetically modified seeds and plants that you object to? My main objection to the combination of "GMO AND Monsanto" debate as you have presented is two-fold. Concise and to the point and analyzing the subject youre discussing and not the person you are discussing it with is also beneficial. While most companies have a life span of 50-60 years, the average age of our brands is 122 years! That's fine, but that does confirm my conclusion that we are not a good fit for a conversation and it has not been constructive, for me. 0000022414 00000 n Ferry-Morse 3.6G Wildflower Sunny Meadow Mixture Flower Seeds Packet - Seed Gardening, Full Sunlight. Multiple smaller, non high tech companies that are manageable by individuals and an asset to their communities. Are all Ferry Morse seeds heirloom? No. How did we get to this point? They are trying to sensationalize things through scare tactics, in my opinion. The idea started with a nylon stocking to hold the soil which, as it turns out, creates a well-aerated pot for healthy root growth. That's about it. We do purchase a small number of seeds from the garden seed . I expect the same good faith from you. Instead of simply looking for companies that are owned by Monsanto to avoid, I can also direct my attention to these small, regional, seed breeders who are producing quality seed that is suited to my garden. Add to Cart. hbba`b``3 10 [T endstream endobj 523 0 obj <>/Metadata 26 0 R/Pages 25 0 R/StructTreeRoot 28 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 524 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/XObject<>>>/Rotate 0/StructParents 1/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 612.0 792.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 525 0 obj <> endobj 526 0 obj <> endobj 527 0 obj <> endobj 528 0 obj <>stream Not Monsanto, nor any company it owns or any company it has ever owned, will sell you GMO seeds. "Yes, I do have fears about producing GMO seed and tampering with something that the entire life of the planet depends on. Im worried about foods produced with GMO seeds that are not digestible and create immune reactions, and plants that do not feed insects and birds and animals. You already said it is an emotional issue for you and you think it is 1000% wrong. You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. Ferry-Morse. Only if you are trying to convince them of something. We are all human and perfect accuracy is beyond all of us. I carefully put a disclaimer transferring the burden of fact checking to others? Nearly 70 percent of gardeners said they buy most of their seeds from mail-order vegetable seed companies. First, you have fused two subjects together based on the fact that one uses the technology. So, no, I do not envision Monsanto doing anything about it or "rescuing us" as you put it. It even shows up innocently on GW here, except misquoting the quarter of a million figure total as a quarter of a million people per year :-( You are not pleased with me for "picking apart", even though you request fact checking on your link. McKenzie products are available in over 4,500 garden centers, independents and major retailers across Canada. 0000014051 00000 n Add to Cart. And here is where I corrected what you said the first time. Only if you are trying to convince them of something. Nothing. It then gets called a documentary. So why would I want to continue this conversation? However, after doing this research, I have bought my last Ferry Morse seed packet. Here is a quote of what I said --, You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. We are off-topic of avoiding GMO seeds (since all home garden seeds are GMO-free, even those from big bad Monsanto). I don't want to loose those tomatoes, but I can see some people that think losing them would be a victory (against what? Ferry bought land in California to grow crops for seed. RPT-Food giants pour millions into defeating Washington GMO label measure, http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/30/usa-politics-gmo-idUSL1N0IJ2G820131030.
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